Playing the foul just has that douche factor, you know?
I honestly wonder if that, to some degree, is in the minds of some NBA coaches. Perhaps in another form, they may use a different word for it, but ultimately you look like a bit of a douche playing that "foul" game.
It's exploiting the rulebook.
Rich
· 4 months ago
But the magic would have won. Isn't that more important than being a douche? Keeping your hopes alive in the playoffs.
ShamelessLakerFan
· 4 months ago
On the inbounds with 10.8 in regulation:
Kobe was doubled right off, foul there and the lakers will foul on the inbound after the freethrows with 8-9 seconds left. It will be on the Magic at that point to get the inbounds to someone that will hit both shots. Then its Laker ball with 6-7 seconds, Magic up by one, two, or three all hinging on their freethrow shooting...
The big play was Kobe makes the pass out of the double team to a relatively open Trevor Ariza, who then had an easy cross court to a wide open Fisher. Meanwhile Pau and Lamar are both hugging the left corner of the baseline keeping the floor wide open. The extra space of the full court meant all the difference. Nelson is stuck at mid court looking at a wide open Ariza receive the ball but he knows his man is Fisher. He hesitated but he did get over to Fisher. The play basically cleared out the right side for Fisher with a smaller defender on him that had played a few quarters in the last 4 months. As well as force that defender to at least think about an open Trevor Ariza before committing to Fisher. I think it went as planned. It allowed for the possibility of Nelson trying to foul Ariza in which case, if Ariza gets the pass off, Fisher is completely unguarded on the right side. I dont think Kobe was intended to shoot on that play, it was Ariza or Fisher all along. Kobe was to draw the double and make it a two on one fast break to the three point line.
The counter would have been to drop the double team and let the Lakers kill some clock getting it up the court, then foul as soon as someone passes over or dribbles across the halfcourt line. The kind of thing experience teaches players to react to (I just cannot get enough of bashing SVG by mentioning the value of experience). The Magic have to expect their freethrows to go in. Anything else is the dreaded prevent defense (which as we all know is only good at preventing whoever runs it from winning).
Van Gundy seems to think he can coach his way through if his players are performing badly. That won't work he has to coach them like they are going to do the right things, if they don't oh well but all the coaching in the world wont make up for it.
Rich
· 4 months ago
Hey! How come no mention of the "no-call" on Kobe in OT. He elbows Nelson in the face (flagrant?) and Fisher hits a wide open 3 to ice the game. Can we honestly believe that the refs didn't see it? Kobe has the ball with under a minute in OT, shouldn't at least one ref be watching. The officiating in these playoffs has been the worst i've ever seen and it's making me question my love of this game.
J.E. Skeets
· 4 months ago
We genuinely forgot to talk about Kobe's elbow, but if you really must know my thoughts on the play/no-call read Watson's breakdown. It sure looked incidental to me.
Ian
· 4 months ago
As a NBA fan I hope the answer to your questioning of your love for the game is...You're done with the NBA. Tripping about something like that when even JN thought it was unintentional should have everyone else questioning really how much love you have for this game or if you have any at all.
Maybe you should question. Why JN played Fisher the way he did at the end of regulation? Why the Magic couldn't hit a FT when it counted? Why the Magic couldn't hold a 12 point half time lead? Why RL was a no-show? Why SVG thinks experience has nothing to do with winning a championship? Why they didn't play RA? Why the Magic played the in bounds in the back court the way they did at the end of regulation? Why SVG thinks that in-bounds play will haunt him forever?
There's a million more questions that could be asked like the ones I posed, all of which would have one thing in common.
None have anything to do with the refs!
Nick L.
· 4 months ago
Man, this is not high school or rec league. It's the NBA! Millions of dollars changing hands all the time trying to achieve one ultimate goal that is much more realistic when you're tied 2-2 than when you're down 3-1. You have to use the rules to your advantage all the time. And, if people are going to be sore about it, then they should have set themselves up to be in a more favorable position throughout the rest of the game so that they wouldn't have to worry about it in the first place!
But, I don't think the douche factor was it. SVG has made it quite clear that he's not worried about being a douche.
Ben
· 4 months ago
Three things: 1) I'm a Pacers fan, but that doesn't stop me from watching The Basketball Jones til the end of the season. 2) You HAVE to play the foul game. It might not be traditional, but winning is the objective and doing everything within the rules should be done. 3) Kobe's "elbow" definitely looked unintentional. Watching it full speed it looked like he started his motion before Jameer even got to the scene. Jameer just closed too late and too close and got popped. I feel like the Magic should be up 3-1, but they have not learned how to win the games, yet, that a championship team wins.
JP
· 4 months ago
Just one correction: Kareem didn't call D12 "unpredictable", he called him "predictable"
"He's still offensively kind of raw," Abdul-Jabbar said Wednesday. "He doesn't have a go-to move yet. Right now, he's kind of predictable."
Nick L.
· 4 months ago
I think Kareem also said "Seriously, he gets worked everytime he matches up with Kendrick Perkins."
I don't see how people could stop watching the Jones after their team is out. How do you just go cold turkey like that? Reducing your drunk phone calls I can see. But, I'm dreading that last night ended because it's a painful transition out of the season.
pastrypride
· 4 months ago
I agree with the e-mail about Dwight. He went to that running hook move so many times last night after it worked twice early on. I think he missed every one of them after those first two. Just watching him take it, it does not look like a remotely reliable shot to me. And the 7 turnovers he committed are obviously killer (he committed 7 in game 2 as well).
Giving it to him in the post worked against Cleveland because none of the Cleveland bigs had both height and athleticism. Gasol and Bynum are both big and athletic and you see the results: .471 FG%, 4.25 TO's per game. We saw that Kendrick Perkins was also able to control him. I'm just not sure passing it into Howard for him to create his own shot is a good offensive strategy. As Skeets has been saying, he can be effective on the pick and roll. And he's good at getting good position right under the basket. But Orlando's often slow finding him when he has that good position, and then we get 3 second violations. So I say, use him sparingly on offense. Give it to him when the play or his position creates a dunk, layup, or INFANT hook. I just don't believe in this running hook from 7 feet out.
Nick L.
· 4 months ago
These e-mails are weak man. I know you've got some good ones in that box about Tom Thibodeau, Rondo, and Perk. All great topics!
Rockabye
· 4 months ago
Totally unrelated to this episode: The Twitter-related thing up at BDL is making my Firefox hemorrhage every time I try to watch it. Any help?
andrew the former bogut hater
· 4 months ago
the show feels incomplete without a whoa-boy. couldn't you have given it to...i dunno, gortat - 4 points in 4 minutes. thats 36 per 36! on 100% shooting!
seanintheoc
· 4 months ago
What is the deal with J.E. & M Bibby?
HushD
· 4 months ago
If you have ever stated something along the lines of "stop hatin'" you should probably skip this entry. First, Patrick Swayzee was wrong in Roadhouse, Pain does hurt. Second, I am not a fan of the Orlando Magic and I don't know a lot about basketball. But I do know you typically need to make your free throws and not turn it over for your team to prevail. Third, I hate the f*cking Los Angeles Lakers. And while I could wax eloquently of the past decade of Laker domination that has led to my hate, I prefer to provide a simple and certainly not comprehensive list of why it sucks that LA won a championship this year.
Kobe Bryant has an angel wing tattoo and drives a Ferrari. Most players can chew gum without it screaming "I am an arrogant c*ck". Most players can have a jaw without it screaming "I am an arrogant c*ck". Because Charles Barkley is right that no team deserves to "half ass" their way to a championship. The homoerotic circle jerk that Kobe gets surrounded with every time he comes off the court. How does candy trump pizza for sustenance? I like Red Auerbach having the record. Kobe - Colorado Springs, CO. Cheap Shot Bob Horry. Kobe snitching on Karl Malone's extracurricular activities. Because it rewards Jerry West's ethically challenged behavior of giving Gasol to LA for nothing. Kobe never told me how Shaq's ass taste. The Lakers may be defending champs for some time given the potential for lockout. Kobe gets to meet Barack Obama. Teams that are arrogant but lazy, have an entitlement complex, and lack humility should not prevail. Plastic city gets to smile - never mind, since that last facelift, they never stopped.
Yesterday I cancelled my cable for a long break from the basketball world. Nice work on the show this year Jones. Given the threat of a strike, you may be reporting on the one-on-one tourney very soon. 10 players square off to make a bunch of cash and Kobe Bryant will not prevail in that competition.
"All that hate is gonna burn you up boy" - "it keeps me warm" -Red Dawn Still Hatin, Hush D
ShamelessLakerFan
· 4 months ago
Sorry this is a double post but I somehow replied to a guy replying to a guy rather then posting in main thread as intended.
On the inbounds with 10.8 in regulation:
Kobe was doubled right off, foul there and the lakers will foul on the inbound after the freethrows with 8-9 seconds left. It will be on the Magic at that point to get the inbounds to someone that will hit both shots. Then its Laker ball with 6-7 seconds, Magic up by one, two, or three all hinging on their freethrow shooting...
The big play was Kobe makes the pass out of the double team to a relatively open Trevor Ariza, who then had an easy cross court to a wide open Fisher. Meanwhile Pau and Lamar are both hugging the left corner of the baseline keeping the floor wide open. The extra space of the full court meant all the difference. Nelson is stuck at mid court looking at a wide open Ariza receive the ball but he knows his man is Fisher. He hesitated but he did get over to Fisher. The play basically cleared out the right side for Fisher with a smaller defender on him that had played a few quarters in the last 4 months. As well as force that defender to at least think about an open Trevor Ariza before committing to Fisher. I think it went as planned. It allowed for the possibility of Nelson trying to foul Ariza in which case, if Ariza gets the pass off, Fisher is completely unguarded on the right side. I dont think Kobe was intended to shoot on that play, it was Ariza or Fisher all along. Kobe was to draw the double and make it a two on one fast break to the three point line.
The counter would have been to drop the double team and let the Lakers kill some clock getting it up the court, then foul as soon as someone passes over or dribbles across the halfcourt line. The kind of thing experience teaches players to react to (I just cannot get enough of bashing SVG by mentioning the value of experience). The Magic have to expect their freethrows to go in. Anything else is the dreaded prevent defense (which as we all know is only good at preventing whoever runs it from winning).
Van Gundy seems to think he can coach his way through if his players are performing badly. That won't work he has to coach them like they are going to do the right things, if they don't oh well but all the coaching in the world wont make up for it.
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I honestly wonder if that, to some degree, is in the minds of some NBA coaches. Perhaps in another form, they may use a different word for it, but ultimately you look like a bit of a douche playing that "foul" game.
It's exploiting the rulebook.
Kobe was doubled right off, foul there and the lakers will foul on the inbound after the freethrows with 8-9 seconds left. It will be on the Magic at that point to get the inbounds to someone that will hit both shots. Then its Laker ball with 6-7 seconds, Magic up by one, two, or three all hinging on their freethrow shooting...
The big play was Kobe makes the pass out of the double team to a relatively open Trevor Ariza, who then had an easy cross court to a wide open Fisher. Meanwhile Pau and Lamar are both hugging the left corner of the baseline keeping the floor wide open. The extra space of the full court meant all the difference. Nelson is stuck at mid court looking at a wide open Ariza receive the ball but he knows his man is Fisher. He hesitated but he did get over to Fisher. The play basically cleared out the right side for Fisher with a smaller defender on him that had played a few quarters in the last 4 months. As well as force that defender to at least think about an open Trevor Ariza before committing to Fisher. I think it went as planned. It allowed for the possibility of Nelson trying to foul Ariza in which case, if Ariza gets the pass off, Fisher is completely unguarded on the right side. I dont think Kobe was intended to shoot on that play, it was Ariza or Fisher all along. Kobe was to draw the double and make it a two on one fast break to the three point line.
The counter would have been to drop the double team and let the Lakers kill some clock getting it up the court, then foul as soon as someone passes over or dribbles across the halfcourt line. The kind of thing experience teaches players to react to (I just cannot get enough of bashing SVG by mentioning the value of experience). The Magic have to expect their freethrows to go in. Anything else is the dreaded prevent defense (which as we all know is only good at preventing whoever runs it from winning).
Van Gundy seems to think he can coach his way through if his players are performing badly. That won't work he has to coach them like they are going to do the right things, if they don't oh well but all the coaching in the world wont make up for it.
Maybe you should question. Why JN played Fisher the way he did at the end of regulation? Why the Magic couldn't hit a FT when it counted? Why the Magic couldn't hold a 12 point half time lead? Why RL was a no-show? Why SVG thinks experience has nothing to do with winning a championship? Why they didn't play RA? Why the Magic played the in bounds in the back court the way they did at the end of regulation? Why SVG thinks that in-bounds play will haunt him forever?
There's a million more questions that could be asked like the ones I posed, all of which would have one thing in common.
None have anything to do with the refs!
But, I don't think the douche factor was it. SVG has made it quite clear that he's not worried about being a douche.
Kareem didn't call D12 "unpredictable", he called him "predictable"
"He's still offensively kind of raw," Abdul-Jabbar said Wednesday. "He doesn't have a go-to move yet. Right now, he's kind of predictable."
I don't see how people could stop watching the Jones after their team is out. How do you just go cold turkey like that? Reducing your drunk phone calls I can see. But, I'm dreading that last night ended because it's a painful transition out of the season.
Giving it to him in the post worked against Cleveland because none of the Cleveland bigs had both height and athleticism. Gasol and Bynum are both big and athletic and you see the results: .471 FG%, 4.25 TO's per game. We saw that Kendrick Perkins was also able to control him. I'm just not sure passing it into Howard for him to create his own shot is a good offensive strategy. As Skeets has been saying, he can be effective on the pick and roll. And he's good at getting good position right under the basket. But Orlando's often slow finding him when he has that good position, and then we get 3 second violations. So I say, use him sparingly on offense. Give it to him when the play or his position creates a dunk, layup, or INFANT hook. I just don't believe in this running hook from 7 feet out.
First, Patrick Swayzee was wrong in Roadhouse, Pain does hurt.
Second, I am not a fan of the Orlando Magic and I don't know a lot about
basketball. But I do know you typically need to make your free throws and
not turn it over for your team to prevail.
Third, I hate the f*cking Los Angeles Lakers. And while I could wax
eloquently of the past decade of Laker domination that has led to my hate, I
prefer to provide a simple and certainly not comprehensive list of
why it sucks that LA won a championship this year.
Kobe Bryant has an angel wing tattoo and drives a Ferrari.
Most players can chew gum without it screaming "I am an arrogant c*ck".
Most players can have a jaw without it screaming "I am an arrogant c*ck".
Because Charles Barkley is right that no team deserves to "half ass" their
way to a championship.
The homoerotic circle jerk that Kobe gets surrounded with every time he
comes off the court.
How does candy trump pizza for sustenance?
I like Red Auerbach having the record.
Kobe - Colorado Springs, CO.
Cheap Shot Bob Horry.
Kobe snitching on Karl Malone's extracurricular activities.
Because it rewards Jerry West's ethically challenged behavior of giving
Gasol to LA for nothing.
Kobe never told me how Shaq's ass taste.
The Lakers may be defending champs for some time given the potential for
lockout.
Kobe gets to meet Barack Obama.
Teams that are arrogant but lazy, have an entitlement complex, and lack
humility should not prevail.
Plastic city gets to smile - never mind, since that last facelift, they
never stopped.
Yesterday I cancelled my cable for a long break from the basketball world. Nice
work on the show this year Jones. Given the threat of a strike, you may be
reporting on the one-on-one tourney very soon. 10 players square off to
make a bunch of cash and Kobe Bryant will not prevail in that competition.
"All that hate is gonna burn you up boy" - "it keeps me warm" -Red Dawn
Still Hatin,
Hush D
On the inbounds with 10.8 in regulation:
Kobe was doubled right off, foul there and the lakers will foul on the inbound after the freethrows with 8-9 seconds left. It will be on the Magic at that point to get the inbounds to someone that will hit both shots. Then its Laker ball with 6-7 seconds, Magic up by one, two, or three all hinging on their freethrow shooting...
The big play was Kobe makes the pass out of the double team to a relatively open Trevor Ariza, who then had an easy cross court to a wide open Fisher. Meanwhile Pau and Lamar are both hugging the left corner of the baseline keeping the floor wide open. The extra space of the full court meant all the difference. Nelson is stuck at mid court looking at a wide open Ariza receive the ball but he knows his man is Fisher. He hesitated but he did get over to Fisher. The play basically cleared out the right side for Fisher with a smaller defender on him that had played a few quarters in the last 4 months. As well as force that defender to at least think about an open Trevor Ariza before committing to Fisher. I think it went as planned. It allowed for the possibility of Nelson trying to foul Ariza in which case, if Ariza gets the pass off, Fisher is completely unguarded on the right side. I dont think Kobe was intended to shoot on that play, it was Ariza or Fisher all along. Kobe was to draw the double and make it a two on one fast break to the three point line.
The counter would have been to drop the double team and let the Lakers kill some clock getting it up the court, then foul as soon as someone passes over or dribbles across the halfcourt line. The kind of thing experience teaches players to react to (I just cannot get enough of bashing SVG by mentioning the value of experience). The Magic have to expect their freethrows to go in. Anything else is the dreaded prevent defense (which as we all know is only good at preventing whoever runs it from winning).
Van Gundy seems to think he can coach his way through if his players are performing badly. That won't work he has to coach them like they are going to do the right things, if they don't oh well but all the coaching in the world wont make up for it.